Ah finally a dev, with the carebear at heart.

A Cyno Skiff in every mining fleet.

Awoxers never had it so good (you won't even be on the KMs).

And here is the same fitting without all the fluff nobody bar 1% of the playerbase will ever care to bring on the field:

Link

Game will certainly die because you need to bring 1 more catalyst to kill the evil and dangerous Hulk. Got it. The sky will fall soon.

Seeing the Skiff has lower cargo and yield, almost all will use Macks. But most still have their old Hulk so there'll be still plenty to kill.

So, in light of all the civilized conversations going on, I went ahead and tried my darndest to do something incredibly stupid, and ended up sitting in a "max yield" hulk. It came out to 14k EHP w/ low-grade slaves. Gankable still?


Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go throw up and then drink lots of beer, not fitting a DCII on a ship, and undocking seems to have been a little to much for me.

(note, this was all on sisi with the current changes to barges)

And yet it could be done with multiple cynos, being lazy and opening just one is your own problem. Just because you didn't prepare for the war with cap industry doesn't mean you could've. Starting a war and puttting your faith in the amount of whine you can make to nerf titans is the goon way ofcourse and thats how you played it. Also, everyone knows goons had some titans they could've used, plenty of them.

However, titans were nerfed and now mining vessels will be buffed, both of these decisions coincide with ccp's current design philosophy. You can't have risk free mining vessel popping anymore, now you actually have to take the risk of losing for nothing or losing and gaining what ever you want to gain by popping a mining vessel in hisec. If the thing gained no longer is worth it, well thats your problem isn't it?

Oh yes I should spend hundreds of millions on 1 ship just so 1 guy in a 3 million isk ship can gank me in several hits.


CCP is just making it so the cost equates with the ships usefulness, not to mention the Mackinaw needed love anyways. Ice miners rejoice!

Official bet: I will give you 1 billion if within 6 months from the patch trit goes to 1 ISK pu (Jita IV price).

If it does not, you will give me 1 billion instead.

Chribba or Grendell will be used to hold my and your billion in the mean time.

Deal?

Ah, I thought I read 1 ISK PU in the quoted text. Has to be bad sight of mine.

None, because I'm not a ******* halfwit. I would just use destroyers and friends/corpies.

Counterpoint to your counterpoint: You misspelled "and" as "ans" thus you are an idiot.

http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg Just look at that tank. for the tier 1 mining barge.

Ok... let's pretend for one second that the practice of "suicide ganking" isn't the completly invantile attempt of a bored part of the community, to give a giant middle finger to the systems of a game they should have stopped playing long ago...

... and let's think about what logical reactions this kind of incidents would provoke in game lore terms. Aside from a complete, military lockdown of Jita, ORE R&D departments would most probably work non stop to make their ships more resilient, so their customers could protect themselfes better from those terrorist attacks.

That's my logical conclusion, atleast...

You might think so, hu...

Well, make a real world comparison then: What do you think how many mining companies would go out of business when terrorists would start attacking them specifically and in force... what would that do to international industry? Material shortages, sky rocketing prices on anything manufactured out of metal, you get the picture.

In game terms: Sure, ORE would sell more ships in the short run, but if it kept going, they would run out of materials to MAKE these new ships, resulting in higher prices, and before long, the miners wouldn't be able to by the increasingly expensive ships...

hogwash, this change was long overdue.. and the risk for reward has been out of wack in the favor of combat null sec for too long .. concidering especially that for years we've been hearing from the same people crying now that high sec is not safe, then they proved it.. So when can we expect that reward nerf to be lifted? never ? Well then the new improvement to barges seems very fair.

I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too.

Like tanking Concord is very difficult... L2P.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnjK5EVsIfI

That is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

Back when I lived in Nullsec I could make 400mil-1.5 bil from running a single Sanctum.

If you did anomalies and escalations you could get rich FAST.

If you only make 60 mil per hour in 0.0 you are doing it VERY wrong.

Dear god I hope those two guys are trolls

See the mentality I described above?

- "I will do whatever asinine till the guards stop me" (sadly now also prevalent in RL)

- "It is convenient to ignore that evading Concord was well forbidden well before boomerang got deemed as an exploit".

All those who did boomberang but then also evaded Concord (two separate acts) should all have been banned. But alas, they didn't.

Mute audio...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3yFf9MDP_M

So, you want W-space nerfed?

Drake shields:
0/50/40/20

Afaik Drake is T1 hull.

The typical 20-100 members NPC nullsec corp has to take fat risks just to dock at the NPC stations (perma double bubble and stuff), their subcaps and caps ops are certainly riskier than a fat ball ops with supercaps support and even at the individual level all you have to do is join your big alliance and attend some operation and be reimbursed for ship loss.
Even if your NPC nullsec corp / alliance controls a couple of systems, 2 jumps away you and your 5 buddies are already in the middle of a cloud of neuts. It's not an optional small roam for fun in there, it's what you have to do to live.

Moreover for the smaller entities neither the reimbursement is so granted nor the ability to join an op or not.

When I endured my lone trip from Amarr to Stain, nowhere along the way I found a sign stating "VERBOTEN!" to being in a small NPC corp.

But hey, I was talking about risk / reward in 0.0 for various secs and sovs, I am not surprised you bunch always try to engross the OH SO HARD challenge of being in a blob with free replacements.

The CFC founders did all the risky work, the CFO and the "inner circle" do the maths and the hard work. The others enjoy the ride, for what I know you don't even have mandatory CTAs.

Yea? Your point beeing? I am a highsec miner by choice and I played like that for years... why should I care? Further, why should I be forced to mind advanced self defense tactics to fend of suicide gankers and PvP griefers in an environment that is supposed to be save for people that prefer my playstyle?

flying a freigther or undocking in a pimp ship to do a L4.

I didn't say that, did I? All I am saying is: Every playstyle has it's place in EVE... and highsec is for those who want to follow their trade (missions, mining, trading, etc.) in relative savety... you want to be a pirate or a corporate warlord? Great, go to lowsec/0.0 and get to it... I don't care.

They don't reap the benefits either. Before joining a sov alliance, our 0.0 POSes did not spew billions of moon goo worth a month. Before joining a sov alliance we had no station in all but 1 system. Before joining a sov alliance we were in some lolbadtruesec. Before joining a sov alliance we did not have Titan bridges and similar. It was like "wait 1 week till next JF runs to take stuff to low sec or come by foot (passing in half of Goon space BTW).

Risk and reweard. You only show your risks and don't show your rewards while downplaying the others'. I have been in 1 NPC nullsec corp and 2 sov alliances (my other alts were in Initiative alliance) and I kind of know how it goes.

I have a feeling that nullsec could use a moderate boost to individual income but an huge boost to what I wrote in the paragraph above.

Not to divert this ~wonderful~ thread off track, but I thought the whole moon mining aspect was something The Mittani wanted to have "fixed" since he and apparently many others saw as broken...? Add how many posts over time from members of Goons claiming to have billions upon billions of ISK freely lying around, "good moons ... nerfed to crap" should not be an issue, yes?

Sure, if you just paused a second the parade about how though is to be in sov nullsec and tralala and would sit to a table and talk about the dry topics.




Isn't it a bit too early to get out doom prophecies? We don't even know the final coefficients and you know that Alchemy won't kill it (Alchemy is engineered to be worth 0 below a certain minimum thresold anyway).